tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post8165266274596582552..comments2023-08-28T01:47:52.421-07:00Comments on United Hollywood: Joss Whedon Looks Into A Crystal Ball...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger160125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-80800236292191651642007-12-04T18:19:00.000-08:002007-12-04T18:19:00.000-08:00Hey Joss -- I'm a WGA member and would love to joi...Hey Joss -- I'm a WGA member and would love to join you at the BOSTON rally. What are the details? I'm a bit up the road in Maine and there's not too many strike opportunities up here, just a lot of moose.Monopolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06508270026158002797noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-42967724047955141482007-12-03T05:33:00.000-08:002007-12-03T05:33:00.000-08:00I'm with Shel--and Joss. I think there's a blanke...I'm with Shel--and Joss. I think there's a blanket misconception out there that writing is a "cushy" job, and isn't really work. Very few mention the hours involved for often crappy pay and the loss of rights to your own creation. Writers rarely, if ever, stop working. Most writers work on projects while working other jobs just to put food on the table so we can keep working. Joss may be comfortable now, but he wasn't always that way. He struggled, put in his dues, and earned his success just as the rest of us struggle to whether we be writer, automaker, dockworker, nurse, etc. ALL workers have rights, no matter what we do for a living.<BR/><BR/>Viewers and writers united CAN do the impossible, and it WILL make us mighty. And along those classic Joss-y lines--Belief beyond reason from fans, writers, cast and crew brought Firefly back from the brink--a show and its fans treated with unspeakable contempt by the studio--to give us Serenity. We did it once, we can certainly do it again.<BR/><BR/>Go on, Joss--just push that button. We'll come runnin'.Cate Morganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16445902306415681450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-7907677501415666762007-12-02T22:31:00.000-08:002007-12-02T22:31:00.000-08:00It is a sad fact that most writers and producers w...It is a sad fact that most writers and producers work together to stuff vast quantities of crap into the broadcast spectrum. (Whedon and few others are rare exceptions.) That, at least, is enough to justify the otherwise crazy appeals for solidarity with folk such as auto workers and teamsters, who also make or move crap around. And it is certainly enough to strip studio heads of any Hollywood glamor and identify them as mere moneybags suits in charge of demanding and purveying more crap. And that, in short, is enough to implicate the BTLs who realize the crap, and therefore enough to justify the calls for solidarity despite all the insults and hard feelings. Crap slingers, like mud farmers, must band together despite their differences to oppose the self-perpetuation autocracy that perpetuates the economic and social differences in our society. <BR/><BR/>Everybody rationalizes and glamorizes their part and claims it's really *great* crap by noting that the public buys it and through passionate testimonials to their own struggles and dreams. <BR/><BR/>This is an argument about crap, between the crap makers and the sewer owners. While everybody makes crap, few own sewers. Alliance between the writers and everybody but brown nosers is as natural as distrust and hostility between everybody and the sewer owners is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-60265790900698478692007-12-02T21:30:00.000-08:002007-12-02T21:30:00.000-08:00So, the logic of the AMPTP is that if they hire tr...So, the logic of the AMPTP is that if they hire trolls to pretend to be suffering workers, some folks in the WGA will be so riddled with guilt that they will abandon their mission and turn against their own guild, causing it to fail? It just seems like such a waste of time to pretend to be something that really does exist in surplus. I mean...it's not like there is a shortage of newly unemployed, extremely worried and upset crewpeople. Geez...if this is true then they really must be desperate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-6379899468392874442007-12-02T21:24:00.000-08:002007-12-02T21:24:00.000-08:00Captain Obvious said... Occasional Showrunner:You ...Captain Obvious said... <BR/>Occasional Showrunner:<BR/><BR/><BR/>You Godwin'd the thread (and vicariously through it, the strike itself) by reference alone.<BR/><BR/>Game over, man, game over!<BR/>____________________________<BR/><BR/>pwnd! Curse you, Captain Obvious, and your invocation of Godwin! Curse you forever!<BR/><BR/>Since I have been Godwin'd, I will slink back to my little cave. Those are the rules.<BR/><BR/>Sigh. Now I will never be able to use this thread to farm my +3 Flametongue of L33tnessAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-67006474607100241802007-12-02T21:14:00.000-08:002007-12-02T21:14:00.000-08:00So how is posting as an unhappy crewperson going t...So how is posting as an unhappy crewperson going to cause a rift between fellow WGA members? That doesn't make sense.<BR/><BR/>__________________<BR/><BR/>Unlike the studio bosses, we WGA members are burdened with something we like to call a "conscience." We do feel bad when other people suffer. We feel especially bad when people we like and respect like our crewmembers suffer. So when people pretend to be our crewmembers and say they hate us, it makes us feel bad.<BR/><BR/>Some people, when they feel bad, might be inclined to settle for less than what they and their families need to survive so they can feel better. This is human. Nonetheless, negotiations aren't an excercise in humanistic impulses. They are a cold, evil thing that we WGA folks are ill-suited for. Still, we will persevere and triumph.<BR/><BR/>And again, if you are a real IA person, I still love you even if you don't love me. I am happy if you are still working now and feeding your family. I hope you get on a pilot in February or a feature that's based on a stockpiled script or a reality show or whatever you need to survive. <BR/><BR/>I'll still be unemployed and starving, but good for you. Can you come by the picket lines and toss ma a sandwich from craft services if you get a job during pilot season?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-20699067517427489912007-12-02T21:07:00.000-08:002007-12-02T21:07:00.000-08:00Occasional Showrunner:You Godwin'd the thread (and...Occasional Showrunner:<BR/><BR/><BR/>You Godwin'd the thread (and vicariously through it, the strike itself) by reference alone.<BR/><BR/>Game over, man, game over!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-20010657781796147742007-12-02T21:03:00.000-08:002007-12-02T21:03:00.000-08:00Laura said... Yeah, it's corn.______________I have...Laura said... <BR/>Yeah, it's corn.<BR/><BR/>______________<BR/><BR/>I have to admit, I've never been a fan of Korn. I do like Slipknot though.<BR/><BR/>What were we talking about?<BR/><BR/>Oh, yeah. Joss, good. Astroturfers, bad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-17177130388456577822007-12-02T20:55:00.000-08:002007-12-02T20:55:00.000-08:00"Yeah, it's corn."I don't know what this means, bu..."Yeah, it's corn."<BR/><BR/>I don't know what this means, but i like it more than many of the other posts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-92206062007575588542007-12-02T20:52:00.000-08:002007-12-02T20:52:00.000-08:00"But the crucial determining factor in these negot..."But the crucial determining factor in these negotiations will be WGA unity and the support of the viewing public. And THAT is what the AMPTP trolls have been hired to try to fragment."<BR/><BR/>So how is posting as an unhappy crewperson going to cause a rift between fellow WGA members? That doesn't make sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-2756856865417684002007-12-02T20:46:00.000-08:002007-12-02T20:46:00.000-08:00Yeah, it's corn.Yeah, it's corn.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05695721028428453739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-50663503638178315432007-12-02T20:42:00.001-08:002007-12-02T20:42:00.001-08:00Anonymous said... I have a question.If the support...Anonymous said... <BR/>I have a question.<BR/><BR/>If the support of the other guilds does not matter, then why would the companies hire troll to try to influence their opinion?<BR/><BR/>_________________<BR/><BR/>In an ideal world, we would get the support of all the other unions. We have the support of SAG, AFTRA and the IBT. Many IA and DGA members support us, some do not. <BR/><BR/>As I said in my previous post, we'd <B>like</B> your support. Hell, we'd fucking love your support. We'd possibly even put out for your support. But whether we get it or not, we have to continue forward on the course the AMPTP forced us to take. We have to keep fighting for a good deal. We have to be prepared for a long, ugly, and yes, even unpopular strike.<BR/><BR/>And in the end, the strike will not succeed or fail based on the support we get from the other unions, because every union in town has a "no-strike" clause in their contracts and every single person with a job that's not in the WGA is going to keep working, whether they support us or not. <BR/><BR/>Don't get me wrong, we are all very, very grateful for the tremendous show of support we have gotten from our friends, collegues, and coworkers. But the crucial determining factor in these negotiations will be WGA unity and the support of the viewing public. And THAT is what the AMPTP trolls have been hired to try to fragment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-13680769896174443322007-12-02T20:42:00.000-08:002007-12-02T20:42:00.000-08:00errr...cyanide.errr...cyanide.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-60655282870169823202007-12-02T20:41:00.000-08:002007-12-02T20:41:00.000-08:00My answers are...Not usually, but more so lately.....My answers are...<BR/><BR/>Not usually, but more so lately....No, I have nice color and take daily outings and bike rides...I had no idea what you meant by that....No, we're jobless now but we wouldn't go that far....I couldn't tell you a thing about either one except maybe give you a vague description of their costumes.<BR/><BR/>I guess I'm in the clear. But red bull is only slightly more appealing than Red Bull.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-34761236718993594182007-12-02T20:32:00.000-08:002007-12-02T20:32:00.000-08:00I have a question.If the support of the other guil...I have a question.<BR/><BR/>If the support of the other guilds does not matter, then why would the companies hire troll to try to influence their opinion?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-78287918033231279382007-12-02T20:29:00.000-08:002007-12-02T20:29:00.000-08:00Anonymous said... I dunno if I'm an astroturfer. W...Anonymous said... <BR/>I dunno if I'm an astroturfer. What is it? How can I tell if I am one?<BR/><BR/>____________________<BR/><BR/>Glad you asked. Here's a self-administered test you can take to find out. Please answer yes or no to each question. And no cheating by looking ahead at the answer key.<BR/><BR/>A) Do spend much of your waking life on the internet?<BR/>B) Are you pallid from lack of light?<BR/>C) Did you know what I meant when I said 0wnzr3d?<BR/>D) Do you get paid by the AMPTP to post?<BR/>E) Do you think Superman is cooler than Batman?<BR/><BR/>If you answered yes to A, B, or C, you might be an astroturfer. Then again, you might just be a WoW player. I'm on Nagrand, bitch! Look me up.<BR/><BR/>If you answered yes to D, you definitely are an astroturfer. I'm sorry to inform you that your life will not get any better from this point on. This is it. All the depression, anger, frustration, and worthlessness you are feeling is here to stay. Please kill yourself now. <BR/><BR/>If you answered yes to E, you are just stupid.<BR/><BR/>PS If you are an astroturfer, I was not seriously recommending suicide. That was sarcasm. I know when you've been staring at a computer screen all day, posting other people's idiotic talking points, sometimes it's hard to detect sarcasm anymore. But as disgusting a piece of shit as you've become, there is still hope. Do not really kill yourself. Just post here admitting to your crimes, quit your fucking aweful job, and go do something useful with your life. You'll feel much better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-25123217577711295572007-12-02T20:18:00.000-08:002007-12-02T20:18:00.000-08:00Oh, I just realized. I never posted what I came o...Oh, I just realized. I never posted what I came on this godforsaken, cratered hellhole of a thread to say in the first place. <BR/><BR/>Which was:<BR/><BR/>Word, Joss. Word.<BR/><BR/>Okay, that's done. I now return you to your regularly scheduled flamewars.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-7440048665098601502007-12-02T20:17:00.000-08:002007-12-02T20:17:00.000-08:00I dunno if I'm an astroturfer. What is it? How c...I dunno if I'm an astroturfer. What is it? How can I tell if I am one?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-13276864057608421082007-12-02T20:14:00.000-08:002007-12-02T20:14:00.000-08:00Anonymous said... Whew! What a relief! Now that I ...Anonymous said... <BR/>Whew! What a relief! Now that I know my support doesn't matter I can go back to being a total bitch!<BR/>__________<BR/><BR/>Glad to be of service. I recommend sucking down a few Red Bulls before you post to maximize your bitchiness. <BR/><BR/>Unless you are an astroturfer. In which case I recommend cyanide.<BR/><BR/>Pwehpwehlzrb33mzzzzz 0wnz3rd biyatch!<BR/><BR/>Isn't the internet fun!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-7492762004696509722007-12-02T20:09:00.000-08:002007-12-02T20:09:00.000-08:00Whew! What a relief! Now that I know my support ...Whew! What a relief! Now that I know my support doesn't matter I can go back to being a total bitch!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-76174866889101874422007-12-02T20:00:00.000-08:002007-12-02T20:00:00.000-08:00Let's put another myth to rest. Most of us really...Let's put another myth to rest. Most of us really don't expect everyone in town to agree with us about the strike. We'd like you to understand our position and we'd like your support, but the support we really need (and are getting) is from our fellow writers. So feel free to disagree. We know many of you are frightened and worried and angry. We're sorry about that. We're unemployed and pissed off ourselves. <BR/><BR/>Let's all have a group hug!<BR/><BR/>No? So it goes. Please excuse my fellow writers who sometimes vent here because they can't shout and throw things in the negotiations room like they'd prefer to.<BR/><BR/>And if you can't do that, feel free to flame away. Most of us can take it. Just be prepared to get flamed back from time to time because:<BR/><BR/>A) That's how the internet works. Welcome.<BR/><BR/>B) Writers like to use words and stuff because in real life we know most people can kick our asses.<BR/><BR/>C) We do know for a fact there are studio hired trolls about. Some of you are trolls. Some of you are not. It's unfortunate that the dishonest tactics of the AMPTP are creating a situation where genuine honest dissenters and lying sacks of astroturf shit get painted with the same brush. But that's what you get sometimes.<BR/><BR/>D) Did I mention this was the internet?<BR/><BR/>Just remember, the first person to compare his or her anonymous debating opponent to Hitler loses. I don't make the rules. That's just how it goes. Please note that when I say the AMPTP PTB are a bunch of jackbooted, goosestepping, soulless dickheads, I am not comparing them to Nazis. People can be dickheads without being fascists.<BR/><BR/>Other than that... Go Free Speech! <BR/><BR/>PS I am right. You are wrong.<BR/><BR/>PPS Spelling and grammar flames also result in an immediate DQ.<BR/><BR/>PPPS Oh, one last thing. Nothing of this matters. All that matters is what happens in the negotiating room and on the picket line. The rest is noise. Including my post.<BR/><BR/>PPPPS But I'm still right.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-3491392552501901442007-12-02T19:08:00.000-08:002007-12-02T19:08:00.000-08:00Yup!Yup!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-12073827308547446252007-12-02T18:53:00.000-08:002007-12-02T18:53:00.000-08:00or worse,If you disagree with anything they say, t...or worse,<BR/>If you disagree with anything they say, then you are a paid troll placed here by the evil AMPTP.<BR/><BR/>What started out as a disagreement with the strike in general, has begun to turn into a dislike for the people who chose to do it.<BR/><BR/>The holier than thou attitude is beginning to wear very thinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-42861497516064337112007-12-02T18:43:00.000-08:002007-12-02T18:43:00.000-08:00"Believe it or not...just because we do not suppor..."Believe it or not...just because we do not support the strike, it does not mean that we hate the writers."<BR/><BR/>I have discovered that it is not enough to support the WGA's efforts, you have to love and praise the way that they've gone about it. You have to love it, love it, love it...or you're a total turd.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-50890593635174114102007-12-02T18:35:00.001-08:002007-12-02T18:35:00.001-08:00"That's interesting sentence structure. Where'd yo..."That's interesting sentence structure. Where'd you learn to write like that?"<BR/><BR/>What a ridiculous thing to pick on in a very serious situation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com