tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post6994781700006189519..comments2023-08-28T01:47:52.421-07:00Comments on United Hollywood: The War of Words: No Substitute for Real NegotiatingUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-41197740481317182272007-12-12T06:53:00.000-08:002007-12-12T06:53:00.000-08:00captain obvious, "is that on topic?" Well... let'...captain obvious, "is that on topic?" Well... let's see... I made a direct comment about the two articles mentioned in this post, the studios and the writers. On topic. What ISN'T on topic and is wholly irrelevant to this disccusion and your cause is your deep need to insult rather than engage in a meaningful dialogue or counter an argument intelligently without namecalling and insulting broad generalizations (which clearly comes from a lifetime of insecurities). By insulting my character as opposed to having a valid counter-argument, you have proven all of my points perfectly. <BR/><BR/>God help you if the people representing you at the negotiation table are as immature, unfocused, angry and inarticulate as you are. <BR/><BR/>Rocky, grow up.ChuckThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08186077762162381967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-20494844952066334822007-12-12T06:26:00.000-08:002007-12-12T06:26:00.000-08:00Carrie--Thanks, that's the answer I was looking fo...Carrie--<BR/><BR/>Thanks, that's the answer I was looking for. Tho having said that, I do think those issues can be managed in the WGA's proposal. For instance, you propose to make the eligible voters the people in those positions as of a certain date in the recent past so that they can't play that kind of "fire the union guys before the vote" game with it. You also write into your proposal all the shows and positions on those shows that are eligible for the vote and which existed on that same recent date in the past.<BR/><BR/>Believe me, I do get that this is a strawman by AMPTP. My point is light their damn strawman on fire. :)Geo Rulehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17854351487508000198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-5689519222038352532007-12-11T19:15:00.000-08:002007-12-11T19:15:00.000-08:00Geo rule, the reason they're trying to get animati...Geo rule, the reason they're trying to get animation and reality covered under the Minimum Basic Agreement now is so they don't end up in a whack a mole scenario trying to organize one show at a time. This tactic is a weak one as it allows studios to delay unionization of a show until a season ends when the producers can hire on a whole new group of people and the WGA has to start organizing from scratch. This is very tactic that led to the failed America's Next Top Model strike. Also, the AMPTP is refusing to recognize WGA or any union as the bargaining body for reality writers so now is the time to establish that precedent. And finally, reality writers and WGA writers are both better served by being joined together as a unit as it makes it less possible for studios and network to use the other genres as a threat in negotiations. <BR/><BR/>Your analogy of George Bush with more analogous to Puerto Rico. It's a territory of the United States, but both sides have to choose if it can become a full fledge state. The reality writers do, George Bush (AMPTP) does not and so uses congress (the labor board) to block it.Carrie Vhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17541011952386351550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-86491248455158625872007-12-11T18:37:00.000-08:002007-12-11T18:37:00.000-08:00Chuck T, I will not call you a studio shill just a...Chuck T, I will not call you a studio shill just a Jack-Ass who uses the word, I, far too much. You're the loud guy at the cocktail party. The one who takes six coconut shrimp and no napkin; the one who shouts when he talks and makes other people at the party roll their eyes and sigh. And you are never wrong, ever. I have you pegged as a disgruntled IATSE guy. I'm thinking hair and make-up. Keep the predictions coming.<BR/> RockyRockyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12332202190365743777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-84926592329979022382007-12-11T18:21:00.000-08:002007-12-11T18:21:00.000-08:00Seems to me that if I was the AMPTP I would be doi...Seems to me that if I was the AMPTP I would be doing all I could to make sure that a deal is not made until after the christmas buying season is over. I'd wait until the buying frenzy has slowed down, in February at least.<BR/><BR/>I'd even be making all the excuses I could to make it seem to be the other persons fault.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Think of all the money I would have to share otherwise...Scooterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17651976662511153253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-67543486739773985052007-12-11T18:07:00.000-08:002007-12-11T18:07:00.000-08:00ChuckT is that even on-topic? Or did you write th...ChuckT is that even on-topic? Or did you write that in Notepad and paste it into the first blog entry you saw when you loaded UH?Captain Obvioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12914653846791290845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-10867780732776411442007-12-11T17:56:00.000-08:002007-12-11T17:56:00.000-08:00Funny. You're quoting EVERYTHING I have said all ...Funny. You're quoting EVERYTHING I have said all along and in my two previous posts on this website (especially in regards to the ruthless power of the studios and the too emotion, non-business-minded writers). I also said that until the writers define their OWN identity and revenue on the internet, THEY WILL NEVER GET THE MONEY OR RESPECT THEY ARE EXPECTING IN NEW MEDIA. Additionally, everything I have predicted in each of my posts on Nikki Fink's website has happened almost exactly as I said it would.<BR/><BR/>But... let's see... I've been called a studio shill (the old standby when people can think of a substantial rebuttal to valid statements) and told that I am trying to break your spirits. I suppose the writers of those two articles are studio shills too, as is everyone else who tries to shine a light of REALITY on the WGA, the writers and the entire scenario -- oh, and you know who ELSE is a shill? Jesus Christ. Yup.<BR/><BR/>You know... a person cannot fault the writers for being emotional. But when your emotions cause you to be in denial of the reality of your own probable demise (at the negotiation table) and FURTHER causes you to lash out at anyone who doesn't jump on board your pity party train, and causes you to pump up your chest with pride that is not warranted or constructive in this situation, then it can be said that you are your own worst enemy, not the AMPTP.ChuckThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08186077762162381967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-87708814687938997372007-12-11T16:25:00.000-08:002007-12-11T16:25:00.000-08:00Geo Rule: It's because the AMPTP refused to discu...Geo Rule: It's because the AMPTP refused to discuss residuals while stalling with their imaginary "second half of our proposal" and so the writers had to move on to other issues to keep the <I>negotiations</I> going because that's what you do during those, you talk about things that matter.<BR/><BR/>It was just meant as a talking point, not as a hard-line deal or no deal, to keep <I>negotiations</I> going. The AMPTP, however, decided it was their convenient lightning rod to walk away and attempt to spin everything against the writers and that's what ultimately happened; just as I predicted weeks ago.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>The AMPTP attempted to do this same thing with the initial DVD issue and were sure the writers would never budge on that. When the writers did budge in an attempt to keep the AMPTP <I>negotiating</I> they huffed and puffed instead. Why? Because this wasn't on the AMPTP's playbook. It wasn't pre-approved. They're afraid to do anything without consulting all the corporations. It's a mess. With so much <I>conglomeration</I> these days even one corporation can decide to shut off the American media. The AMPTP is truly someone's bitch, to put it bluntly.<BR/><BR/>They have some illusion that they're playing this smart. Wrong. Don't listen to what your fellow corporate behemoth mouthpieces tell you. Who knows, maybe the AMPTP will bust itself in all this.<BR/><BR/>Funny, and fitting; especially if writers decide to <I>strike</I> out on their own as a result.Captain Obvioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12914653846791290845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-58130995520307062992007-12-11T15:59:00.000-08:002007-12-11T15:59:00.000-08:00Can I ask why you guys are demanding jurisdiction ...Can I ask why you guys are demanding jurisdiction over Animated and Reality? They're trying to paint you as meglomaniacs over it. Shouldn't the demand be for a free and fair union organization election for those positions you (rightly, in my view) claim are writers positions in those niches? Then let the studios be the bad guys who aren't willing to let a majority vote decide it.<BR/><BR/>Right now by allowing yourself to be painted as the studios getting to decide this is like demanding of George Bush that he give up Austria. He doesn't own Austria to give it up in the first place. Tho, please, someone don't go demand that of George Bush, or I'm liable to find myself apologizing to the Austrians for an invasion. That'd be so embarrassing!Geo Rulehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17854351487508000198noreply@blogger.com