tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post1118897056306311389..comments2023-08-28T01:47:52.421-07:00Comments on United Hollywood: Elisberg: Cieply View Of WGA "Different Than The Reality"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-76409497500000926842008-01-28T18:43:00.000-08:002008-01-28T18:43:00.000-08:00I love how David Young is always referred to as an...I love how David Young is always referred to as an outsider without any experience in the entertainment industry and therefore as some kind of disadvantage. The moguls can't deal with him because he doesn't understand the business. He needs to be replaced by a Hollywood insider.<BR/><BR/>Back in 1966, Marvin Miller, the negotiator for the United Steelworkers took over as head of the players' association. Needless to say all the owners insisted that since he had no baseball background he was at a disadvantage. They couldn’t deal with him because he didn’t understand the business. He needed to be replace by a baseball insider.<BR/><BR/>I can only hope that David Young is as disadvantaged and bewildered by the entertainment business as Marvin Miller was by the baseball business.Glennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00968964357909734700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-22671625374084283892008-01-28T17:41:00.000-08:002008-01-28T17:41:00.000-08:00It must be so lonely at that table in that dark li...It must be so lonely at that table in that dark little restaurant where John Ridley and Michael Cieply are waiting for the other members of their little coterie to join them.<BR/><BR/>Despite all the snarky remarks of the troll (I'll bet there's only one-or-two Red Bull fueled interns writing all those pro-AMPTP blog postings using names such as "just a WGA supporter" for their studio head bosses, the Guild will not fracture this time.<BR/><BR/>We'll all be in to celebrate our victory around the bar. Eventually.<BR/><BR/>Until then, John and Mike, the next round's on me.thenicerguyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09931299485218014241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-60553669655290467292008-01-28T16:50:00.000-08:002008-01-28T16:50:00.000-08:00jason --You say you've "worked with both of these ...jason --<BR/><BR/>You say you've "worked with both of these men at the WGA." So have I, and I'm a writer as well. And I can say with absolute certainty that your statement "[a]ll internal systems are devised and operated without consideration for the writer" is simply untrue. <BR/><BR/>There are moments when I've disagreed with these guys, and moments when I've argued and fought with them. Believe me, if the WGA were run "without consideration for the writer" none of us at UH would still be doing this. The respect, responsibility and dedication I see in Verrone, Young, the Board and the NegComm is an amazing thing, considering the fact that they do the exact opposite of ignoring writers -- they listen to everyone, and they weigh and consider everyone's concerns. <BR/><BR/>Like I say, I've had moments of fighting with them -- but I've had many more moments when I've felt, as many writers I know have, that the plumber-turned-labor-leader-turned-writers'-advocate has given all of us a sense of community and pride in both the value of our work, and the importance of standing together with our fellow creators of content (from Teamsters to craft unions to other guilds)that we haven't had in a very long time.Laeta Kalogridishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01825832152079871768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-42916599634513173702008-01-28T16:49:00.000-08:002008-01-28T16:49:00.000-08:00Geo Rule,90% of the press should be ashamed of how...Geo Rule,<BR/>90% of the press should be ashamed of how they cover every story. It's not about fact. It's about what sounds good or what makes a good headline. Journalism is dead. The New York Times is a disgrace. Why are we surprised? They have a previous conviction for fabricating stories. Getting to the truth is difficult. It takes time and research and analytical skills. Who wants to do that?Rockyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12332202190365743777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-26249485080277108932008-01-28T16:43:00.001-08:002008-01-28T16:43:00.001-08:00I think your supporters all across the country are...I think your supporters all across the country are more than well aware of the tendency of too many in the media to spin and twist facts to suit their own ends. We're used to the fact that none of the significan issues, the problems the people are struggling through are NEVER reported. <BR/><BR/>We've been writing letters, making calls and spreading the word. Keep the faith! I'd like to ask a favor, when the strike gets resolved, please, all you writers and others in the entertainment industry, please write about, direct, produce and perform more things about the serious problems facing average Americans across the country. 1,000 people per week, in my state alone lose their jobs in this lousy "new" economy, families lose their homes, become evicted from apartments because corporate interests either outsource the jobs, or find some way around hiring Americans and paying American wages.schorisacharlatanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02250282469551780565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-57391636724638394692008-01-28T16:43:00.000-08:002008-01-28T16:43:00.000-08:00I think your supporters all across the country are...I think your supporters all across the country are more than well aware of the tendency of too many in the media to spin and twist facts to suit their own ends. We're used to the fact that none of the significan issues, the problems the people are struggling through are NEVER reported. <BR/><BR/>We've been writing letters, making calls and spreading the word. Keep the faith! I'd like to ask a favor, when the strike gets resolved, please, all you writers and others in the entertainment industry, please write about, direct, produce and perform more things about the serious problems facing average Americans across the country. 1,000 people per week, in my state alone lose their jobs in this lousy "new" economy, families lose their homes, become evicted from apartments because corporate interests either outsource the jobs, or find some way around hiring Americans and paying American wages.schorisacharlatanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02250282469551780565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-79268053526282867912008-01-28T16:29:00.000-08:002008-01-28T16:29:00.000-08:00When was that Verrone coup d'etat, anyway? Have sp...When was that Verrone coup d'etat, anyway? Have spouses/children of a cross section of WGA members been renditioned to an undisclosed third world nation to make sure they stay in line?<BR/><BR/>I particularly love how they compare him to a CEO hired by a company. Can someone please go over to the NY Times and explain Democracy and the consent of the governed to them, being careful to use small words?<BR/><BR/>About 90% of the press should be deeply mortified at how they've covered this strike.Geo Rulehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17854351487508000198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-86845553991198994002008-01-28T16:02:00.000-08:002008-01-28T16:02:00.000-08:00I have worked with both of these men at the WGA. I...I have worked with both of these men at the WGA. It is sad to say that the guild is run without respect for the writer. All internal systems are devised and operated without consideration for the writer. In fact, it would fume me (I'm a writer) when employees repeatedly said, "The hell with the writer. As long as the systems works for us." Verron and Young would look away, could care less, which is why negotiations are protracted. And, since these men are on the guild's payroll they are in no hurry to get things done. That is the absolute truth. It's a shame we have to rely on their misguided leadership.jasonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06856637295591630042noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-89955719507007802362008-01-28T15:21:00.000-08:002008-01-28T15:21:00.000-08:00It breaks my heart that people who are supposed to...It breaks my heart that people who are supposed to be journalists have taken the very presidential tack of saying something patently false...just to get it out into the public. <BR/><BR/>Thank you for correcting what was an unwelcome and uninteresting piece of tired corporate propaganda.hoopcooperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13034499696886871406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-84358938047313349082008-01-28T15:17:00.000-08:002008-01-28T15:17:00.000-08:00As someone who grew up reading the New York Times,...As someone who grew up reading the New York Times, it has been hard to follow their cringe-inducing coverage of the strike. Cieply's constant use of unnamed sources (i.e. anonymous bloggers) is simply bad reporting. But I suppose it's to be expected from a newspaper that just hired Bill "Are you never right?" Kristol.<BR/><BR/>Cieply and Kristol are a perfect match.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06615181728420361096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-79183944002570805102008-01-28T14:33:00.000-08:002008-01-28T14:33:00.000-08:00LOL.I had forgotten Mr. Young was a plumber - hope...LOL.<BR/><BR/>I had forgotten Mr. Young was a plumber - hope he doesn't run into that writer on the other blog who said he shouldn't have to walk the line, after all it wasn't like he was a plumber or something.<BR/><BR/>It is an honor to walk the line and it is an honor to be supported by our brothers and sisters in the other unions.<BR/><BR/>Respect to all as it is merited.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18124873230169174640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-26285157333807812602008-01-28T14:22:00.000-08:002008-01-28T14:22:00.000-08:00Um, what's wrong with being a plumber? :)Nice pie...Um, what's wrong with being a plumber? :)<BR/><BR/>Nice piece, Mr. Elisberg! I doubt that I'm the only one who appreciates articles that bolster faith in the WGA. <BR/><BR/>I expect that those who side with the AMPTP will continue their campaign to divide and smear the WGA, and articles like yours are necessary for those of us "outside the room", but still very much affected.<BR/><BR/>Thank you.4merBTLerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12682748606747530855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2462026865900537983.post-38324698454349945332008-01-28T13:49:00.000-08:002008-01-28T13:49:00.000-08:00Ecellent piece! Thank you for taking the time to ...Ecellent piece! <BR/><BR/>Thank you for taking the time to tell the truth.<BR/><BR/>We must all stay strong, stay calm and STAY UNITED. We'll get our deal.People please...https://www.blogger.com/profile/08102151891722371730noreply@blogger.com